Animal Abusers

No I dont. I feel animals have enough rights more than even humans in certain countries. Anyway there are reasons behind decisions like that. For the boys to even do such a thing like that there must be some sort of psychological problem with them.

As far as the law is concerned in most states in the US, pets are considered chattel. So for instance, if I killed your dog. . .you would have to sue me in civil court to get the value assessed for your dog and maybe some punitive damages. The most I'd get as far as a criminal charge in most states is a misdemeanor animal cruelty charge and I'd have to pay a fine. The exception to this is if I were running a dog fighting ring or something.

Are the laws adequate? I honestly don't know.

When I was in the Navy, I went on detachment to a base in the middle of nowhere. There was this big party where someone had brought in a tiny kitten. I learned this after the fact but there were a group of guys that were trying to flush the kitten down the toilet to drown it. I guess the kitten didn't fit. . .so they took it to the kitchen and microwaved it. These were some SICK SICK individuals.

I guess word got out to the powers that be. . .and the military member who was involved went to captain's mast and the commanding officer asked him why he microwaved the kitten. He showed no remorse and answered that it was because it didn't fit down the toilet. He got a few years jail time and was kicked out of the navy. The civilian people involved didn't get any jail time but paid thousands of dollars in fines.

I don't think tougher laws would have helped an animal in this case. If there are sociopathic people. . animals will continue to get abused. I think intervention early on and effective behavioral therapy is a better investment of time and resources.

Just my two cents. . . your mileage may vary

Cryzilla wrote:

How old are the teenage boys?  Because people don't want them in the prison system if they're younger.  That'll cost the government more money than the counseling required for a first time act.  However, that history of animal abuse may count against them later, as it is a typical sign of a future sociopath.
Sociopaths are unable to feel empathy for others.  They also exhibit some common behaviors as children: cruelty to animals, bedwetting, and an antisocial personality.  Plenty of them also exhibit a fascination with arson.  Unfortunately, sociopathy cannot be diagnosed or treated until they are eighteen.  Before then, it's "conduct disorder".  =/

I'll try and find the video - I think one was at least 16.  And I love the fact you mentioned sociopaths.  I've recently read a fascinating book - Inside The Criminal Mind that details certain behaviors of minors who grew up to become criminals.  You've heard of psychopaths (violent sociopaths), right?  This particular case worried me because animal mutilation was a habit formed by future serial killers - before they started killing humans.

yes i do. i heard about a group pf teenagers who threw a litle kitten of a 20 storey building. noone knows whether the kitten was killed or injured. there was also a video on youtube where a man and a woman put a goat in a cage and put a snake in with it. the snake begins to strangle the goat and the people can be heard laughing and shouting "it cant breath". its awful. i hate things like that.

numba1bimbx wrote:

For the boys to even do such a thing like that there must be some sort of psychological problem with them.

Yes, I believe there is some psychological problem with them.  However, in most cases teenagers who mutilate animals often grow up wishing to cause the same harm to humans.

Zoosadism: sadism directed toward animals - is part of the Macdonald Triad.  The Macdonald Triad defines three early behaviors of criminals (bed-wetting, fire-setting, and zoosadism).

Don't take my word up on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw at least one of these boys on the news again.

and what happen after that is the animal that was abused and live may sometimes become very aggresive and start to attack people in this case everybody then want to kill that breed of animal
for instance pit bulls

it doesnt matter how intelligent they are you know? they feel pain the same way we do. personally i dont kill anything i can avoid, and that includes mosquitoes. they havent bitten me since, honestly  xD i dont expect other people to do the same, but at least respect the lives they have taken, especially as sometimes their only crime was existing and surviving.

I think that those boys, no matter how old they are, should spend a long time in jail.
There is tons of evidence to suggest that kids that torture and kill animals are likely to mature into men and women that will abuse and kill people. Almost without exception, every serial killer in the US (such as Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy) displayed this type of aggression in their adolecence, and it was ignored.
Animals, and it has been studied numerous times, can have the same level of intellegence, and capacity for love, as a normal human toddler. They can recognize their owners, learn commands ("speak", and "come"), and follow simple directions (like "sit", or "fetch"). They are easy victims for the anger and abuse of weak, cowardly individuals who lack the social skills to express their anger in constructive ways. They are also prey to sadists who enjoy to watch the suffering of helpless creatures, and those creatures can be animals, children, or elderly people. I would be inclined, if the law allowed, to have these boys locked up INDEFINATELY, until, through counseling and punishment, they were too afraid to PET an animal for fear of returning to jail.
Animal abuse is an indictor of deeper emotional issues that can threaten the general public. These boys should spend quality time reflecting on that, IN JAIL!!!

JoJoChan wrote:

As far as the law is concerned in most states in the US, pets are considered chattel. So for instance, if I killed your dog. . .you would have to sue me in civil court to get the value assessed for your dog and maybe some punitive damages. The most I'd get as far as a criminal charge in most states is a misdemeanor animal cruelty charge and I'd have to pay a fine. The exception to this is if I were running a dog fighting ring or something.

Are the laws adequate? I honestly don't know.

When I was in the Navy, I went on detachment to a base in the middle of nowhere. There was this big party where someone had brought in a tiny kitten. I learned this after the fact but there were a group of guys that were trying to flush the kitten down the toilet to drown it. I guess the kitten didn't fit. . .so they took it to the kitchen and microwaved it. These were some SICK SICK individuals.

I guess word got out to the powers that be. . .and the military member who was involved went to captain's mast and the commanding officer asked him why he microwaved the kitten. He showed no remorse and answered that it was because it didn't fit down the toilet. He got a few years jail time and was kicked out of the navy. The civilian people involved didn't get any jail time but paid thousands of dollars in fines.

I don't think tougher laws would have helped an animal in this case. If there are sociopathic people. . animals will continue to get abused. I think intervention early on and effective behavioral therapy is a better investment of time and resources.

Just my two cents. . . your mileage may vary

OH MY GOD!!! I got tears in my eyes from reading all of this! Thsi is horrible and cruel people who do this to be animlas need to be punished in a manner where they suffer!! Its wrong to hurt these beings as they can;t even retaliate and take action against the offenders. Its upto to mankind to protect whats around us!! This kind of behaviour is disgusting

the tiny kitten could have fought off a navy man and a group of civillians?

numba1bimbx wrote:

Animals can fight back. Cats can scratch and bite and so can dogs. In fact almost all animals have a way to defend themselves. The animal those kids tortued should have retaliated and maybe it wouldnt be dead.

Anchoredwunderlust is right, no animal would be able to completely defend itself against humans.

The animal was a young kitten, if anything its attempts to defend itself (biting, scratching) would only have fueled their anger and abuse.  There's no way anyone can tell me otherwise.

And Liberti, you had a good point.  Anyone can try to defend themselves - but it doesn't mean they're always successful.  When you're overpowered the chances are definetely in your enemy's favor, regardless of whether or not you're human.

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thatmadlass wrote:

The reason counsulling for the boys was ordered was to nip the behaviour in the bud, get to the root of what's making them act in such an horrific way and getting them 'in the system' so to speak.

Whilst I find it abhorrant that people can do that to animals I'm more concerned about protecting children than animals.

I see your point.  But evidence proves a link between early animal mutilation and future criminal behavior.