#1 02-04-2012 21:40

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What has to go wrong?

I was watching the news (yes, news-watching 16 year olds DO exist) and a ticker came up announcing the arrest of a Californian woman in the microwave oven death of her 6 week old baby. I naturally looked this up on Google, and was shocked to see that not only was this baby supposedly nuked to death, but at least three other infants (not by the same person...) suffered this fate as well.

So here's my question. The bond between a mother and a child is supposed to be so special and sacred. What has to go wrong with that relationship to make a mom do this to her baby? I wondered the same thing with the Casey Anthony trial, and I have a feeling this one's going to go up in flames just like that one did. How did such a precious relationship go awry?

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#2 02-04-2012 21:42

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Re: What has to go wrong?

A lot of mothers suffer from post-natal depression. It obvious varies from person to person, but some mothers suffering from PND don't bond at all with their baby at all, sometimes for months.

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#3 02-04-2012 21:42

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Yes I read it too idk couple months ago about another 'microwave murder' it's just inhuman to do such things. It's so cruel, I hate it :S


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#4 02-04-2012 21:44

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Re: What has to go wrong?

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A lot of mothers suffer from post-natal depression. It obvious varies from person to person, but some mothers suffering from PND don't bond at all with their baby at all, sometimes for months.

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#5 02-04-2012 21:50

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Re: What has to go wrong?

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthin … ssion.aspx

According to this and a couple more links I skim-read, postnatal depression affects around 1 in 10 new mothers. That's a really high number, but like I said it's going to affect everyone differently. You could just be worried about if you're going to be a good mother, or it can be the worst part, postpartum psychosis, with hallucinations and the works.

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#6 02-04-2012 21:58

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Re: What has to go wrong?

There should be more support for women suffering with PND, so that they get all the help they need. I'm sure they're are women out there that don't feel like they're able to talk about the fact thay have PND, and are thinking about hurting their babies. Maybe because it's just so out there. Everyone thinks about the whole bonding with babies, and they never understand why some women aren't able to.
I think it's very sad when someone kills their baby because they didn't get the help they needed.

My mother suffered PND when my youngest sister was born and when she talked to her doctor about her feelings, he tried to send her to the physic-ward. I hope things have gotten better in that regard, but I can understand why women don't want to talk about it.

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#7 02-04-2012 22:01

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Re: What has to go wrong?

In addition to what Shilohlascano mentioned, I also think that some people are just unfit parents. There are people who just genuinely don't want to be bothered by kids and some just don't know how to take care of them.


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#8 02-04-2012 22:32

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I was just going to say that this is not a new case, it's very sad that there are  more cases of this sad
I feel sorry for the mother as well though, I can't imagine how she is going to handle the rest of her life when (if) she realizes what she had done. It's sad that probably no one noticed her condition before that and didn't do a thing. And I also feel it's sad that probably if she wasn't sure about becoming a mom she did it because the society's view is that everyone should have kids.


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#9 02-05-2012 00:07

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Re: What has to go wrong?

This for some reason reminded me of a story about a woman who forgot her baby was in the back seat of the car, and left him there for the whole day while she was at work. When she realised, he was dead because it was a warm day.

I don't know how you could forget about your child...

But putting babies in a microwave is just cruel. You have to be seriously messed up to do that!


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#10 02-05-2012 02:24

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Re: What has to go wrong?

erm well i think she would have had a lot of mental problems, for example being completely and utterly insane.


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#11 02-05-2012 02:36

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Re: What has to go wrong?

There are some people who don't realize the effects of using a microwave on a living organism. Or it could be what everyone else is saying.

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#12 02-05-2012 03:55

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One of my aunts had postnatal depression for a long time after her third child. After each child she had it but didn't really consult on it. By the time her husband noticed she was really out of it and couldn't look after herself or the children. While she was on her medication we all took it in turns to help out there. She wasn't in her normal frame of mind, like she gave her two year old bleach spray to play with, things she normally wouldn't let her children do/go near.

I think it's really sad when people don't get the right help or have lack of access to it. Can you imagine how the woman in the article would feel once she came to her right mind? neutral


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#13 02-05-2012 06:57

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Re: What has to go wrong?

sugarlicious22 wrote:

This for some reason reminded me of a story about a woman who forgot her baby was in the back seat of the car, and left him there for the whole day while she was at work. When she realised, he was dead because it was a warm day.

I don't know how you could forget about your child...

But putting babies in a microwave is just cruel. You have to be seriously messed up to do that!

I read this one story this woman had written into a magazine. She had three kids and one was a baby, and one morning she went to work but she had to go out of her routine, she worked in a school and she had to take the baby to daycare near the school she worked at, but when she got to school she forgot and someone walked by her car in the afternoon..
Hearing things like that is so horrible.


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#14 02-05-2012 07:09

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Re: What has to go wrong?

I've been following the story from her initial arrest.  What the main stream media is not saying is the anti-depressant drugs they prescribed to the mother, for post postpartum depression.  News like that,  is not welcome to the drug companies,  or innocent children or the doctors and the government.  Yet, it was in the very first story long ago,  but ignored now.....  Blame the mother,  and stress  for the failure of the medical community, and drug manufactures.   There is much more to this story than is being reported.

  A woman  who already had 3 boys,  and finally had a baby girl, who according to her family members dreamed of having a baby girl to go INSANE,  and kill  her baby girl  is not something 'naturally induced'.  If so,  all of our mothers would have Killed us all,  and there would be no human race.  I have nothing but PITY,  and prayers for that poor baby.
   The mother can rot in Hell, along with her doctors.  She was Stupid enough to believe the doctors,  who are stupid enough to alter a woman's natural brain chemistry.
  Stress is a natural human condition. Not one that needs drugs, to fix.

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#15 02-05-2012 09:41

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Re: What has to go wrong?

sugarlicious22 wrote:

This for some reason reminded me of a story about a woman who forgot her baby was in the back seat of the car, and left him there for the whole day while she was at work. When she realised, he was dead because it was a warm day.

I don't know how you could forget about your child...

But putting babies in a microwave is just cruel. You have to be seriously messed up to do that!

I have heard that forgetting your child is surprisingly common, especially if it's a new baby. My mum once forgot my eldest brother outside a shop (In ye olden days when it was normal to leave the baby outside in the pram - but when she left the shop, she turned left and the pram was parked right, or something.) But ALL DAY does sound like a particularly huge lapse.

There was a news story here in Germany about a couple who locked their baby in the boot of their car while they attended a music festival. That was an executive parenting decision.


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#16 02-05-2012 09:48

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Re: What has to go wrong?

Maybe I've been watching too much United States of Tara, but seriously what if a woman with multiple personalities had a baby (and maybe her personalities in RL weren't too destructive before she had a baby) and one of her alters thought it was a dinner?

OK... that's even too far fetched for me. But you never know... there's crazy fucking people out there.


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That is terrible, but I think the woman probably had some serious issues. Postnatal depression happens.

About a week ago a mother reported the disappearance of her 6-month-old daughter. She said someone was following her and kidnapped the baby and even said what the guy looked like. For about a week the police was looking for the girl, the parents were on tv and the whole thing was all over the media.
And then about 2 days ago the mother confessed that she accidentally dropped the baby, so she just "buried" her under a tree and made up the whole kidnapping story. Instead of taking her to the hospital, trying to save her.
Apparently the day before she watched some criminal show on tv where that happened and that's where she got the idea from. This I cannot understand.


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#18 02-05-2012 13:47

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1) Because some women suffered from untreated post-natal depression...

2) These women don't plan to have babies to begin with and so all the troubles of taking care of the baby and that it keep crying makes them grow impatient...

3) Some sort of personality disorders that goes unnoticed by family or spouses because such people always would just harm someone who can't fight back, like babies and small animal pets so most adults aren't aware that they aren't fit to be mothers... There goes the saying that people who have no qualms about abusing animals might be dangerous when being put together with children/babies or even women...

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#19 02-05-2012 17:13

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Re: What has to go wrong?

peanutbutterjelly2 wrote:

I read this one story this woman had written into a magazine. She had three kids and one was a baby, and one morning she went to work but she had to go out of her routine, she worked in a school and she had to take the baby to daycare near the school she worked at, but when she got to school she forgot and someone walked by her car in the afternoon..
Hearing things like that is so horrible.

you didnt finish the story i've read this one too..

basically what happens is the children normally get taken to school in a carpool, and then when she had to take them herself one morning she thought she had dropped them off, until she got in the car after work to find her children dead due to heat exhaustion as she hadn't taken them in at all. She swears to this day that she dropped them off, but something clicked in her on her way to work and she didn't. It was a really sad story.




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