#1 12-28-2011 16:39

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Hello everyone!

Are you interested in politics? I mean not just national, but internation news, happenings in the world. Do you know what's IMF? Do you like what Moody's doing? Etc.

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#2 12-29-2011 07:10

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Me! To some extent haha, I mostly follow Middle Eastern politics because I find it fascinating/have family involved, but I could definitely benefit from learning about other topics as well from other players smile


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#3 12-29-2011 14:49

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Finally someone smile
And what do you think: was it a good or a bad thing that the american soldiers had left? Or what about the orthodox politics in Israel? Find it good or bad?


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#4 12-29-2011 21:37

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At this time, I think it is important for American relations with Middle Eastern countries to be maintained, due to our current (and unfortunate :-/ ) dependence on their resources. I am certainly wary of how the new governments will turn out, since we haven't really gotten to see them work independently yet (this also includes nations affected by the Arab Spring-- I do NOT want to see the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt, although it is certainly a risk). However, I am glad that the troops are finally leaving, I hate to see how many soldiers' lives were lost while policing a nation that is not yet ready for autonomy under a new system. It's complicated, and I'm not sure there is any right answer. Ideally, I wish we would put more effort and funding into finding alternative sources of fuel, so that we may wean ourselves from this oil dependency.

When you say "orthodox politics in Israel", are you referring to the growing problem of ultra-orthodox power in the political/social scene, or something else?


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#5 12-30-2011 11:51

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Yes, I was referring to the ultra-orthodox power and their newly introduced laws - like the separation of men and women and these things, whick are totally against to human rights codexes. What do you think about it?

And what do you think about the US politics towards Hungary?


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#6 01-04-2012 03:16

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Sorry for the delay, my bimbo went on vacation!

I actually do not know much about the US politics towards Hungary (I am a product of the American public education's history/social science curriculum in that area, I'm afraid), what can you tell me about it?

The growing power of haredim (ultra-orthodox) in Israel has been a problem for many years, and it is currently reaching a critical point in certain areas, such as haredi-dominant Beit Shemesh. I for one cannot stand the subset of haredim who feel the need to shove their views down secular/non-haredi throats, and their disgusting treatment of women ("we respect women, therefore we will threaten and curse and humiliate those who do not follow our standards of modesty", etc). It should be noted that not all haredim are that extreme; in fact, it is a minority of haredim who are extremist enough to harass people. I hate the mandatory segregation in the PUBLIC sphere. It is fine to segregate in synagogue, as that is a tradition of haredim as well as modern orthodox, but that should never extend to outside houses of worship. Especially if you enforce that view on non-orthodox. Otherwise we end up with "Little Iran", as Beit Shemesh was nicknamed. Honestly, with how they enforce their distorted views of "modesty" and how they oppress women, they are worse than (religious) muslims and it is ridiculous. I hope this issue is resolved soon. One wonderful organization targets women's rights in Israel: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Women-of … 72?sk=info

However, the issue that concerns me most is their monopoly in religious courts in Israel, as well as in governmental positions. In recent years, they have essentially taken over many leadership positions. That would be fine, if they accepted the legitimacy of other, more liberal sects of Judaism. Today, some people who converted to regular orthodox Judaism and migrated to Israel ("made aliyah") are having their conversions revoked as invalid. Who are they to say? They act similarly with marriages: the only legally recognized religious marriage in Israel (civil unions are different) is a haredi-officiated wedding. Many Jews of mixed parentage (even a maternal grandmother who wasn't fully Jewish) are not considered "Jewish" by their standards, and are thus forbidden to marry in Israel, and must leave the country to do so. I am not "pureblood" by their status, and this would have impacted me if I were to live in Israel.

Lastly, many to most haredim are BUMS! They have tons of children (5+ on average, easily), and contribute close to nothing to society. They use their religious obligations as an excuse to evade the mandatory draft for men and women (every Israeli must serve a few years in the IDF), they usually do not hold jobs or do anything besides pray all day and work as wageless rabbis (men) and pop out/raise babies (women). With the birth rates as they are, haredim will soon become a dominant demographic. What then, if the majority of the country won't work, serve in the military or otherwise contribute to the nation? How do they expect an all-haredi nation to function and (more importantly) defend itself?

That's my rant. As you can see, it's something I'm very upset about right now haha. I'm not sure if that rambling post made any sense! In short: I feel the situation is reaching a breaking point, secular Israelis are getting fed up and fighting back. I only hope this will resolve in as peaceful and smooth a way as possible.


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#7 01-04-2012 18:36

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Wow! That was very interesting for me!!! I've only read a small article about this problems and didn't know that it was really that big and that important!
And what do you think, will the rule of the haredim change something between the US and Isreal and between the arabian countries and Israel?
(Sorry for asking that much, but I only know the part of the problem, not the whole!)

The Hungary problem: You might know that we have a new government - nearly 2 years right now, which had introduced several laws and acts - I think some of them are really good, especially that we'd like to get out from the crisis. However, the EU and the US thinks - not respecting the rights of Hungary to decide in cases which are only aout Hungary [of course, not violating human rights, etc etc] what our government does is BAD. As a result, the IMF decided not to help Hungary with loans, Hilary Clinton had sent us a letter to make things right (just a question: does she have a right to tell a non US country in its internal affairs what to do???), then we got some nice opinions in the Washington Post, and a new letter from the French goverment.

Why does every country think that they have the right to interfere to the Hungarian internal affairs???


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#8 01-05-2012 14:50

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I personally like the present government of Hungary. smile


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#9 01-05-2012 17:31

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So do I. But we are alone as everyone in the world would like to change it big_smile


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#10 01-07-2012 12:01

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Surely you are not alone because I know that many politicians would support you. Unfortunately, politicians are not the foreground. Therefore, it is what it is. In Europe and the U.S. politicians are terrible governed, at least in the majority.


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#11 01-08-2012 12:21

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Agree. But my problem is that why does the US thinks that it can do everything? Not respecting a country and its rights, or fighting a war without any real reasons, etc!

What do you think, what will happen with the Euro? Will we have it ot after Greece cannot pay anymore it'll collapse?


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#12 01-08-2012 17:18

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I agree that the U.S. want to decide too much about the internal politics of other countries.
I think the current policy U.S.A. for some time will have bad consequences.
I do not know what will happen with the euro area. For now, Poland and other countries have to try to rescue the euro, but as for me is a bad idea. Poland is not even in the euro area.


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#13 01-09-2012 11:14

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We are also not in the Euro area and in our new constitution it is written that the money of Hungary is the Forint. 2/3 is needed to be changed.
So, you're against the Euro? Why?


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#14 01-09-2012 12:25

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Many think that the common currency is not a good idea, and Poland also is not ready to adopt the euro as their common currency.
And probably they are right.


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#15 01-09-2012 14:04

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Well, it has also drawbacks - Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, but in the other hand it's very good for the economy - export/import, etc.
So, you don't want Euro?


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#16 01-09-2012 19:25

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I think that if we adopted the euro is now our situation would deteriorate. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think so although I'm not an expert on finance.
I think that we're doing well, despite the crisis, just among other things, because now we are not in the euro area.
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#17 01-09-2012 20:01

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Yes, but Poland is Poland - was the most important country for the EU in 2004.
What about the story today that a polish prosecutor tried to commit suicide?


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#18 01-10-2012 12:18

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Yes, that's a strange story. I don't know what to think about that. Maybe he was too much under someone pressure. I don't like this case to be honest.


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#19 01-16-2012 01:14

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The Euro Area will always be a difficult one, I'm currently trying to write an essay aimed at the European Central Bank as to why the England should be allowed to join if it should want to.
I agree with you, LilyRose24, that if we were to join our situation would also deteriorate.


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#20 01-16-2012 07:33

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I think England will never join to the Euro Area, because...well, it's England. There's England and there's the continent big_smile Am I right?
Although I think with the Euro it would be better for Hungary. Earlier, ' EUR was 250 Hungarian Forints, then 280, and then 325 and right now it's 307 Forint. So for those, who use EUR regularly, it's a great loss.


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#21 01-16-2012 20:09

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Haha, very true. I don't think we'd ever join.


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#22 01-17-2012 10:06

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Yes, because it's just England big_smile
And do you think the that Euro Area will collapse?


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#23 01-17-2012 16:37

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I genuinely have no idea, I'd like to say no.


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