Calling all people who think they know a lot(religion wise)

I don't think you should lose sleep or wrack your brain over anything in the bible.  It's an ancient book written by people who had no other explanation or understanding of the things happening around them.  It's more of an exciting guideline than an instruction manual.  If you're looking to follow a religion, then by all means DO it, but do what feels right.  Don't do it because someone tells you it's the right thing if you feel it isn't

maybe god and jesus wanted to wait so people could accumulate more sins?
i have no idea really, don`t try to find logic in the bible, take it as it is, after all, this is what faith is based on. you either believe something without posing too many questions or you don`t.
i don`t so i`m an atheist.
regarding abortion and gay marriage, i`m for it. abortion should be used as a last resort though, not as a contraception method, i`ve heard stories that made the hair on one`s back raise, about women who didn`t bother using protection and just aborted. that`s wrong and sick.
about gay people, they love and respect each other, why shouldn't`t they have the same rights in marriage as given to opposite sex couples?

I'm a devout Christian, yet at times I hesitate to say so because so many people have had such poor experiences with other Christians.

I've never understood the point in arguing over religious beliefs. Every person has the right to believe or not to believe in whatever they choose.

If you believe in the Bible (or use the Bible as a basis for your beliefs) there is no statement that says why there was such a tremendous amount of time between Adam/Eve sinning and the arrival of Jesus. Even if there was, if you don't believe in the Bible, it still wouldn't really matter to you.

There is a system of beliefs that says that the people who existed before Jesus' time on Earth were given the opportunity to believe in the afterlife.

As far as the side note goes, it's a matter of individual beliefs. Not every single Atheist or every single Muslim or every single whomever is going to believe the same exact things.

I'll answer from my personal point of view. I can't answer, nor would I try to answer for every Christian, every woman, or every person of whatever group I'm a part of. I believe in rights for the GLBT community because they are people. As long as you aren't doing something to hurt someone, you shouldn't be disenfranchised based on who you want to sleep with. I don't expect to be mistreated because I'm heterosexual and no one else should be mistreated because they aren't.

Abortion is not an avenue that I would take under any circumstances. However, it is a legal medical procedure. I know women who have had abortions because they felt it was right for them. That is their business. There is nothing wrong with that.

I think we (whether we are religious or not) spend far too much time minding other people's business and arguing over people's religious/non-religious theories and not enough time making sure we're holding on dearly to whatever our own belief/morals/philosophies may be.

unibabi wrote:

Hey guys,
I wanna get opinion from religious people or nonreligious people, whoever feel like they're confident enough to answer this question.

Sooo.. the Bible says that Jesus came to save the world from their sins and enable us to go to Heaven and such.

But why didn't Jesus come immediately after Adam and Eve sinned? Like, what happened to the people who existed before Jesus?
Basically what I'm trying to get at is why did he not come sooner if he was trying to save EVERYONE.

I don't know what happened to the people who existed before him 

On a side note:: How many religious people believe in gay/lesbian rights? and believe in abortion?

First of all I would like to tell people that it's not wise to assume religious people get offended easily, it's just that things always goes like this, ''one bad apple makes a whole box of good apples turn bad too''...

If going to church and being a Christian puts me under the religious person category, then I just want to say I support equal rights among people all the way, I see them as human beings and each one of them have different sinful strongholds in their life and it's not up to us to judge one another... In church we are taught to love just as how Jesus loves us, we may not disagree with some individual's lifestyle but we should not neglect their needs as a person...

Abortion to me is only right when it's not possible to save both the mother and the child's life and abortion is the only way... The woman's life should be put first, with God all things are possible therefore it doesn't hurt to pray for another child...

About women getting pregnant from rape and incest, I clearly understand their troubles and feelings but I would think that when a rape victim choose to raise a child and be strong instead of aborting the baby there's a chance that she can raise him/her to be a great person and at the same time her life would be blessed...
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Concerning your question as in why didn't Jesus came sooner, it has been questioned before in my church and we realised that in order to have Jesus as a sinless man worthy enough to save lives, mankind must be given prophecies and hints of the upcoming Messiah instead of having people to believe in Him the instant He came into this world, because that would cause more chaos and less likely people will believe in Him...

Also if one were to study the Bible, all of Jesus's decendants starting from Adam until King David, and from David until Joseph the carpenter, all of these generations of people have faithfully obeyed God's will in times of hardships... For Jesus to be worthy of praise, He must have ancestors consist of people who are called God's servants...

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Alluex wrote:

Unibabi- that's a very interesting question. I think that a lot of the bible just doesnt add up though. Maybe try not to over-think it?, millons of people already have and haven't come up with any good answers.

Sarahjason- I'm pretty sure it never said the forbidden fruit was an apple. It just said fruit. Maybe it was a banana...

actually thats what i was tought all my life, apparently thats where the phrase      'addams apple'    came from but whatever... i dont know if its true or not.

Ellie0792 wrote:

sarahjason wrote:

well... i am roman catholic (not very much different from christianity) i dont know about what happened to the people before jesus came but i do know if youre christian/catholic
its wrong to be lesbian/gay, however as much as i do have faith i still believe people should be aloud to love whoever they want to, but i definately think abortion is very wrong as it is murder, as a the babys heartbeat developes as early as 7 weeks which means it is living (thats not me being religious as i dont follow all the things youre not suppose to do, this is just simply what i personally, no religion involved, think is wrong).

feel free to disagree thats just my opinion as not all catholics and christians believe the same thing.

roman catholic IS christian. it's not ''not very much different''. it is christian.

why are people in the wrong for the way god made them?

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ASBObrainboxbint wrote:

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Being homosexual is personal choice, as is abortion.

what? abortion is a choice obviously, but homo/bisexuality? no. it's really not a choice.

ACTUALLY it is a little different.... catholics believe jesus' mother mary was a holy virgin where christians DO NOT.  plus they have different churches, there are CATHOLIC churches and there are CHRISTIAN churches and i personally would not got to a christian church for mass, so i think they are different.

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sarahjason wrote:

Ellie0792 wrote:

sarahjason wrote:

well... i am roman catholic (not very much different from christianity) i dont know about what happened to the people before jesus came but i do know if youre christian/catholic
its wrong to be lesbian/gay, however as much as i do have faith i still believe people should be aloud to love whoever they want to, but i definately think abortion is very wrong as it is murder, as a the babys heartbeat developes as early as 7 weeks which means it is living (thats not me being religious as i dont follow all the things youre not suppose to do, this is just simply what i personally, no religion involved, think is wrong).

feel free to disagree thats just my opinion as not all catholics and christians believe the same thing.

roman catholic IS christian. it's not ''not very much different''. it is christian.

why are people in the wrong for the way god made them?

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ASBObrainboxbint wrote:

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Being homosexual is personal choice, as is abortion.

what? abortion is a choice obviously, but homo/bisexuality? no. it's really not a choice.

ACTUALLY it is a little different.... catholics believe jesus' mother mary was a holy virgin where christians DO NOT.  plus they have different churches, there are CATHOLIC churches and there are CHRISTIAN churches and i personally would not got to a christian church for mass, so i think they are different.

no. there is christianity, which encompasses catholicism, protestantism, baptism, methodism, church of england-ism and so on.

you go to a catholic christian church. you are a christian and a catholic.

catholics take the bible more literally than most protestants on the whole though. oh and protestantism encompasses the church of england and a few others. i think it's everything that isn't catholic.

basically everyone who follows the bible is a christian. there are different sects who interpret it in different ways and have different ways of doing things.

by the way catholics are the only ones who have mass.

Well you can always see the whole Jesus coming back as a good opening for a sequel, a way of religion saying we are still around and remember we are here to save you.

Or then they had it all under control over at the limbo but then it started overpopulating and they had to do something about it, so they had to send Jesus so he could die and then re-open the gates of heaven and all those amazing things.
One thing i never really got was the whole "huge" sacrifice of sending his only son to earth to die there, i mean ... they are God and his sonnie, its not like he can really die... he was up and walking after 3 days, and then back to the good old heavens, so really where is the big drama of it?

And yeah the "apple " or whatever fruit the tree of knowledge gave, im not sure i studied that one in my botanic classes, was supposed to be left untouched, cause it would give them the horrible dissease of curiosity and well ofcourse knowlede in general, it took their innocence away and made em start wondering and asking questions, and everyone knows God didnt want any questions or doubts.

Talking a bit on what Crizilla said about sexuality, yeah it is a very well documented fact in science that homosexuality is a very natural phenomenon, in some ape comunities it helps em create bonds and have a more peaceful and friendly life, in some cases theres even evolutionary changes like with female bonobos that have adapted their clitoris in such a way that is easier to have a lesbian encounter.

And in other lil subject it still gives me a bit of a headache and a lil bit of sadness to keep seeing people say that science says "something came from nowhere" please please, read a bit (something nonreligous) and think about it for a minute or two, it is religion that says that... not science... How was it that it all got twisted in such a way?

Ehh there's the orthodox church too.

Expired wrote:

Ehh there's the orthodox church too.

that's catholic isn't it?

Ellie0792 wrote:

Expired wrote:

Ehh there's the orthodox church too.

that's catholic isn't it?

Depends on context. Very theoretically, yes. Practically - no.

Due to Catholic and Orthodox Churches, there was one common (Catholic means common) Church which was the only true continuation of Apostles work.
In about 1054 a great schizm (division) has happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism

Each side claimed they are right and are true and only Christians, while the other side are heretics.

But you shouldn't think there were no voices for uniting Churches again - such trends were from the very moment of schizm. Some priests thought that it is a great sin for Christians to argue like that and divide Holy Church.

In 20th century leaders of both Churches lifted excommunications given in 11th century.

Theoretically since all that agreements in XX century, Catholics can take part in Orthodox masses etc.

sarahjason wrote:

well... i am roman catholic (not very much different from christianity) i dont know about what happened to the people before jesus came but i do know if youre christian/catholic
its wrong to be lesbian/gay, however as much as i do have faith i still believe people should be aloud to love whoever they want to, but i definately think abortion is very wrong as it is murder, as a the babys heartbeat developes as early as 7 weeks which means it is living (thats not me being religious as i dont follow all the things youre not suppose to do, this is just simply what i personally, no religion involved, think is wrong).

feel free to disagree thats just my opinion as not all catholics and christians believe the same thing.

sarahjason wrote:

ACTUALLY it is a little different.... catholics believe jesus' mother mary was a holy virgin where christians DO NOT.  plus they have different churches, there are CATHOLIC churches and there are CHRISTIAN churches and i personally would not got to a christian church for mass, so i think they are different.

Strange... haven't you got any lessons of Catholic religion?
Catholicism is a branch of Christianity. Due to Catholic Church, it is the only sure way to salvation.
As far as I know - you can go to a protestant Church if you have a reason, for example your protestant friend has a wedding, just you are not allowed to take communion. You can take part in Orthodox mass, if you have similar reason (you go there to celabrate with orthodox family or friends) or if you have no Catholic church around.