Calling all people who think they know a lot(religion wise)

no point trying to fathom the bible.

personally i think religious people who say stuff like ''i can't accept the way my [make-belive] god made you because it's against my religion''. the bit about homosexuality in the bible is right next the bit about not having a beard and not eating shrimps isn't it? or was that something else?

the only part about abortion is the obvious ''do not kill'' and the bit about pulling out.

sorry if my views offend.... and they probably will...

unibabi wrote:

Hey guys,
I wanna get opinion from religious people or nonreligious people, whoever feel like they're confident enough to answer this question.

Sooo.. the Bible says that Jesus came to save the world from their sins and enable us to go to Heaven and such.

But why didn't Jesus come immediately after Adam and Eve sinned? Like, what happened to the people who existed before Jesus?
Basically what I'm trying to get at is why did he not come sooner if he was trying to save EVERYONE.

I don't know what happened to the people who existed before him 

On a side note:: How many religious people believe in gay/lesbian rights? and believe in abortion?

If you go to church, I think the person(s) you need to pose this to is your church leader(s).

My views on religion I know are controversial, so I will keep my opinion to myself.  I have no problem with those who choose to be religious so as long as they don't attempt to get over the top preachy (and try to convert) me.

unibabi wrote:

Hey guys,
I wanna get opinion from religious people or nonreligious people, whoever feel like they're confident enough to answer this question.

Sooo.. the Bible says that Jesus came to save the world from their sins and enable us to go to Heaven and such.

But why didn't Jesus come immediately after Adam and Eve sinned? Like, what happened to the people who existed before Jesus?
Basically what I'm trying to get at is why did he not come sooner if he was trying to save EVERYONE.

I don't know what happened to the people who existed before him 

On a side note:: How many religious people believe in gay/lesbian rights? and believe in abortion?

Hm - I don't know what is the answer for your first question. I have never heart it.
For the second one - Jesus came to hell after he died and before he ressurected and kind of "pulled out" all good people from that. This is, I believe the old reasoning - I think Orthodox Church may still have it in doctrine. Catholic opinion nowadays is there is a law that all people who have never heard about Jesus (lived before him or for example nowadays in Amazonian jungle) and are good, will go to heaven even though they are not Christian. The same works for children, insane and mentally retarded people. unfortunatly, it doesn't work for people who heard about Jesus and christianity, but for various reasons didn't become Christians.

Quite many religious people believe in gay's right to have relationship. Some protestant churches for sure. Many Catholic people, though it's against Church's teaching. In fact it's just a matter of interpretation of the Bible.
The old testament law about homosexuality isn't exactly working for modern Christians. I mean it doesn't have to. Those were laws for Jews (among not eating pork, ritual cleaniness and much more) not wearing clothes from mixed fabric is agood example. Jesus made a new testament with humanity, so Christians have another contract with God. They are even chapters in New testament about those laws not being valid anymore.
Catholic Church believes in dignity and love for gay people - due to the rule of 'hate the sin, not the sinner'. In short, it means they accept someone can be gay, but think such person shouldn't have sex. Never, with noone. Even themsleves (because masturbation is prohibited).
With abortion - most Catholics see it as murdering a child, simply. Though some may have different views. The official opinion of church is foetus is a human being since the moment of conception, so has all human rights. Women whose life depends on doing an abortion are not old that they should sacrifice for the child, but those who do are considered heroins, if not saints.

Adam and Eve sinned? musta missed that bit. The Bible is just stories, and so as a fiction novel can get away with poetic licence so can the bible.

Being homosexual is personal choice, as is abortion.

In my humble opinion, Religion is merely a crutch for weak people who need something to blame when things go wrong, and to thank when things go right. People who cannot actually think that much of themselves to know that things that happen in this life are all down to the individual, and not devine intervention.

Needless to say, I am not a believer in any way, shape or form.

ASBObrainboxbint wrote:

In my humble opinion, Religion is merely a crutch for weak people who need something to blame when things go wrong, and to thank when things go right. People who cannot actually think that much of themselves to know that things that happen in this life are all down to the individual, and not devine intervention.

Needless to say, I am not a believer in any way, shape or form.

100% agreed.

Unibabi- that's a very interesting question. I think that a lot of the bible just doesnt add up though. Maybe try not to over-think it?, millons of people already have and haven't come up with any good answers.

Sarahjason- I'm pretty sure it never said the forbidden fruit was an apple. It just said fruit. Maybe it was a banana...

Alluex wrote:

Sarahjason- I'm pretty sure it never said the forbidden fruit was an apple. It just said fruit. Maybe it was a banana...

i've read somewhere that it must have been a fig!

I consider myself to be Christian, yet I'm all for humans being made in God's image, and therefore there is nothing wrong with being homosexual/bisexual/asexual. I'm also pro-choice as long as it's done for the right reasons.

unibabi wrote:

Hey guys,
I wanna get opinion from religious people or nonreligious people, whoever feel like they're confident enough to answer this question.

Sooo.. the Bible says that Jesus came to save the world from their sins and enable us to go to Heaven and such.

But why didn't Jesus come immediately after Adam and Eve sinned? Like, what happened to the people who existed before Jesus?
Basically what I'm trying to get at is why did he not come sooner if he was trying to save EVERYONE.

I don't know what happened to the people who existed before him 

On a side note:: How many religious people believe in gay/lesbian rights? and believe in abortion?

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Last edited by HeavenLeighBimbo (03-15-2010 00:54)

sarahjason wrote:

well... i am roman catholic (not very much different from christianity) i dont know about what happened to the people before jesus came but i do know if youre christian/catholic
its wrong to be lesbian/gay, however as much as i do have faith i still believe people should be aloud to love whoever they want to, but i definately think abortion is very wrong as it is murder, as a the babys heartbeat developes as early as 7 weeks which means it is living (thats not me being religious as i dont follow all the things youre not suppose to do, this is just simply what i personally, no religion involved, think is wrong).

feel free to disagree thats just my opinion as not all catholics and christians believe the same thing.

roman catholic IS christian. it's not ''not very much different''. it is christian.

why are people in the wrong for the way god made them?

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ASBObrainboxbint wrote:

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Being homosexual is personal choice, as is abortion.

what? abortion is a choice obviously, but homo/bisexuality? no. it's really not a choice.

Last edited by Ellie0792 (03-15-2010 01:41)

The bible was re-written many, many times and translated many times. Each time it was altered to suit the needs of those rewriting it. It was altered to incorporate beliefs and celebrations of the pagan societies people were trying to convert, and it was altered to make people think they should act a certain way, usually to suit the needs of a few so they could control the masses. When the Old Testament was translated to Greek, "young woman" was translated into "virgin" because the Greeks believed in spontaneous conception and that change made the Bible more palatable to their pagan beliefs. It was not originally prophesied that Jesus would be born of a virgin, but of a young woman, and everyone is born of a young woman (after all we all go through menopause). That one change has had an enormous effect on the way that sex is viewed. And that is just one small example of how the bible has been altered. It is a work of fiction written by men. Any truth, if any, that is once had is lost to us now.

I am pro-choice, no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body or dictate that she should have child she may not want, be able to care for, maybe too young. The reason does not really matter.

As for homosexuals /lesbians, do whatever makes you happy I don't care.

I don't think it is right for people to try to impose their religious views on the choices other people make, it's none of their business.

I know my views are controversial, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in any religion. I can't because it's not fact, and I'm not 10 years old.

Last edited by ADJ (03-15-2010 01:52)

unibabi wrote:

Hey guys,
I wanna get opinion from religious people or nonreligious people, whoever feel like they're confident enough to answer this question.

Sooo.. the Bible says that Jesus came to save the world from their sins and enable us to go to Heaven and such.

But why didn't Jesus come immediately after Adam and Eve sinned? Like, what happened to the people who existed before Jesus?
Basically what I'm trying to get at is why did he not come sooner if he was trying to save EVERYONE.

I don't know what happened to the people who existed before him 

On a side note:: How many religious people believe in gay/lesbian rights? and believe in abortion?

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Last edited by HeavenLeighBimbo (03-15-2010 04:42)