Forum Miss Bimbo, fashion community / Poledancing: Degrading or Empowering - Is Pole Dancing Empowering or Degrading to Women?

I don't understand. Is this a thread about pole dance for fun/fitness/home or as a career? I have entirely different views of it as a career... D:

Aileenitus wrote:

A woman who can taunt a man and have him under her every command while she gracefully dances around a pole in such a sexy manner will be considered empowering to me any day. I've considered the job myself for when I'm older. Not only does it bring you the grace of the dance but it makes you feel powerful. I always feel powerful when a man's jaw hits the ground at the sight of me doing something I enjoy. Maybe it's just me but have a man in my grasp, as a woman does with pole dancing, is very sexy and I see them as in control. Plus, at least they aren't spreading any diseases while having intercourse with said men while they're dancing around that pole. They're just doing something everybody can enjoy.

That's so wrong. They don't care about the dancer, they just want sex. As soon as they get what they're after, the connection is over. The best of our human aspect of things, the love, the connection, the relationship... It's non-existent.
Anyone who can do that without feeling guilty is truly ugly. What hideous creatures you've all exposed me to.
I'm thinking about quitting Miss Bimbo.

Aileenitus wrote:

Mareikka wrote:

Aileenitus wrote:

A woman who can taunt a man and have him under her every command while she gracefully dances around a pole in such a sexy manner will be considered empowering to me any day. I've considered the job myself for when I'm older. Not only does it bring you the grace of the dance but it makes you feel powerful. I always feel powerful when a man's jaw hits the ground at the sight of me doing something I enjoy. Maybe it's just me but have a man in my grasp, as a woman does with pole dancing, is very sexy and I see them as in control. Plus, at least they aren't spreading any diseases while having intercourse with said men while they're dancing around that pole. They're just doing something everybody can enjoy.

That's so wrong. They don't care about the dancer, they just want sex. As soon as they get what they're after, the connection is over. The best of our human aspect of things, the love, the connection, the relationship... It's non-existent.
Anyone who can do that without feeling guilty is truly ugly. What hideous creatures you've all exposed me to.
I'm thinking about quitting Miss Bimbo.

Your opinion is your own and as is mine. Neither are wrong seeing as they're what we each believe in and therefore they are neither wrong nor right. Some people have a different opinion than you, you know. That doesn't make them a monster, it means they have their own views. Which, by the way, is allowed... or are you just THAT fascist? I'll guess so.

GOD FORBID PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO STATE THEIR OPINION WITHOUT BEING CALLED A HIDEOUS CREATURE AND BEING BLAMED FOR THE LEAVING OF A PERSON WHO OBVIOUSLY CAN'T HANDLE BEING AROUND PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HER BIRDS OF A FEATHER!

lol It's ok. accept that some people refuse to think of men as human and lack morality.

Mareikka wrote:

Aileenitus wrote:

Mareikka wrote:

That's so wrong. They don't care about the dancer, they just want sex. As soon as they get what they're after, the connection is over. The best of our human aspect of things, the love, the connection, the relationship... It's non-existent.
Anyone who can do that without feeling guilty is truly ugly. What hideous creatures you've all exposed me to.
I'm thinking about quitting Miss Bimbo.

Your opinion is your own and as is mine. Neither are wrong seeing as they're what we each believe in and therefore they are neither wrong nor right. Some people have a different opinion than you, you know. That doesn't make them a monster, it means they have their own views. Which, by the way, is allowed... or are you just THAT fascist? I'll guess so.

GOD FORBID PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO STATE THEIR OPINION WITHOUT BEING CALLED A HIDEOUS CREATURE AND BEING BLAMED FOR THE LEAVING OF A PERSON WHO OBVIOUSLY CAN'T HANDLE BEING AROUND PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HER BIRDS OF A FEATHER!

lol It's ok. accept that some people refuse to think of men as human and lack morality.

So, you're saying you don't believe men are human and you lack morals? Um... how does that come into this?

I really does depend on the individual.
But personally i would never pole dance as a career, because generally all you're seen as is an object of desire for men, regardless of your intellect or personality. I would never make myself so one dimensional because my sexiness is not me... all of me is me, and that's what men should be heckin paying for.

Aileenitus wrote:

Mareikka wrote:

Aileenitus wrote:

Your opinion is your own and as is mine. Neither are wrong seeing as they're what we each believe in and therefore they are neither wrong nor right. Some people have a different opinion than you, you know. That doesn't make them a monster, it means they have their own views. Which, by the way, is allowed... or are you just THAT fascist? I'll guess so.

GOD FORBID PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO STATE THEIR OPINION WITHOUT BEING CALLED A HIDEOUS CREATURE AND BEING BLAMED FOR THE LEAVING OF A PERSON WHO OBVIOUSLY CAN'T HANDLE BEING AROUND PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HER BIRDS OF A FEATHER!

lol It's ok. accept that some people refuse to think of men as human and lack morality.

So, you're saying you don't believe men are human and you lack morals? Um... how does that come into this?

I think she means you have no morals and are treating men as tools.
I agree with her, too. Degrading.

My sister did it to pay for college. I don't have a problem with it.

I really think it depends on the indivdual. But, every woman knows feeling sexy is empowering,  no matter who you are. And in my opinion, dancing with that much grace and sensuality is hot. and every girl knows that if you feel hot you feel empowered. And, getting paid to feel hot? Even better.

I personally think its a little degrading....But every woman is different.  If thats what you enjoy and you feel good about it, then more power to you!!

Depends on the place. Generally I would say it is degrading considering what happens at a lot of them... (talking about it as a career, obviously)

Tamareaah wrote:

I was a pole dancer for several years, and I defended it. I am smart, and at the time, I was attending college (my reason for it in the first place).  I was one of the "good girls" in the club...I didn't to "favors", I kept to myself and didn't cause any problems.

Then things change.  I was making more money than I knew what to do with.  I was making $1000 A NIGHT!  At 21 years old, it is hard to stay focused.  I began drinking at work and even experienced some drug use...still defending my position on stripping.  Relationships with men never lasted long, while at first they love the idea of you being a dancer, eventually, any man that cares about you, simply can't deal with the idea of other guys going home and jerking off to your image.

Then I got out.  At 25 I realized that I didn't want to be a 38 year old day shifter with two kids, a crappy apartment and a man that never saw me as more than an object or trophy.  I decided to go back to school (I had dropped out at 23) using student loans and got a job as a secretary.  I rebuilt my relationship with my parents and found a loving caring man, who thinks I am brilliant.

When you are inside the box, the adrenaline, the high of being watched and desired is like a drug.  But once you step out of it and re-enter the real world, you look back on what you did and realize that you never had any power at all, it was just another illusion created in a place where fantasy costs $400 an hour.

I have never worked as an exotic dancer, but I agree with this. I know three girls, none of whom know each other, that have at one point worked as dancers. Two of them didn't like to tell people their profession at all. Only one of them might be still doing it - I'm not sure, because we lost touch. Each of them expressed one or more of these feelings and revelations. They eventually got into the drug scene at work, they had troubles with men, their parents didn't know or didn't want to talk to them if they did know (unless they stopped doing it), and/or they didn't want to be the older, stereotypical dancer.

I don't believe exotic dancers have any sort of power, it's just an illusion. When they dance, men are only looking at them as objects. Women become objects and men become the perverts. I think it's degrading to men and women, whether they're watching or stripping. I've only gone to a strip club once, and I lost a little respect for humanity while I was there. That's just my opinion.

Now, at home for your husband is different, and so is doing a pole dance routine for fitness. I think as long as they're done in a healthy way and not mistreated they're okay.

I say stripping and pole dancing are both empowering. They both can make you feel extremely sexy and in control. I think that people that say it's degrading (in my opinion) need to try it themselves and feel the rush and adrenaline that consumes you and open their minds to what their bodies are really capable of. You can gain more confidence and sexual awareness and become more tuned with self expression. Being comfortable in your own skin is vital in that industry....and with that said...if you are comfortable in your own skin and self expression (even for money) you may just find that your at home sexual experiences get far better. When you do it as a job..you ar only allowing a certain percentage of your true self to be shown....at home ....you bring out 100% of yourself and release everything to make your home sexual life far more satisfying.

Hope this made sense.

Mareikka wrote:

That's so wrong. They don't care about the dancer, they just want sex. As soon as they get what they're after, the connection is over. The best of our human aspect of things, the love, the connection, the relationship... It's non-existent.
Anyone who can do that without feeling guilty is truly ugly. What hideous creatures you've all exposed me to.
I'm thinking about quitting Miss Bimbo.

you need some action.


O and seriously, Gabby sweetie, it was a simple question. You don't need to go into Womens Rights.

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